But If It's The Other Way? What Then? An Approach To Abortion Law That May Be Ignored

 

"Maze1" by Herr D on heromachine.com. Sometimes knots are good to unravel backwards.-Shelob

 

'A' and 'Q' have agreed to chat with me about their experience, briefly. Guys? Where do you want to start?

G'head.

My wife had  a troubled pregnancy. Placenta previa, gestational diabetes, and three other conditions.  It wasn't going well. She asked me whether I could honor her wishes. I told her I couldn't.

Why couldn't you?

She said they have to have the decision made of who to save before they go in, so if they can't save but one, the decision is made. I couldn't love a child I haven't met as much as I already loved my wife.

What did you do about it, Q?

I got my mom to be my medical proxy.

It was hard for her to do that; I mean, her mom's a good lady, but her mom stresses her out. She's since a little less welcome at the hospital. 

Did you fight about this?

No.

No. I told her the truth and let her do what she had to to follow her conscience. Some people would have called that passive suicide, but that's not how she saw it. She made what for her WAS a moral choice. 

And then?

Then the doctors went in and the baby wasn't going to make it. Malformed organs. It was going to die, and it was going to suffer till it died.

And the ultrasound didn't tell them that?

It was just too subtle to show up on the tests. So they were all ready to save the baby and had to swap out the surgical stuff at the last second, because my wife had a chance at a real life.

The doctors were straight with us, because they knew we are very educated. The baby had probably BEEN in pain, which is why he hadn't been moving much, had the variances in heart rate, stuff like that. They had thought it was the pregnancy conditions. It was too late to legally abort him, I mean during birth and all, they just gave some Tylenol and watched him die while they saved my wife.

Our second child is beautiful. She's smart and tall, like her daddy.

Knowing what you know now, what would you have done differently?

Aborting my first baby would have been a mercy killing. The rare genetic transcription error or errors  couldn't have been prevented. Otherwise, I would do things the same way. I'm not likely to agree to have an abortion unless the baby is going to have a bad life. Spina bifida, maybe.

That does result in a low quality of life. Well you know why I wanted you to talk about this.

I can't imagine any sane woman voting Republican anytime soon.

I can't imagine any sane woman having SEX with a Republican anytime soon.

Yikes. Okay. It does occur to me that your situation is not unique.

The doctors said things like this happen. Frankly even my right to choose the baby over myself was second. If you can't trust medical people to do their thing, you shouldn't go to the hospital. They saw that they needed to override me because of information I didn't have when I made my choice. I was upset, but they let me hold him. He would have been miserable. I'm glad he never had anyone call him ugly or look disgusted at him. He deserved a better life than he could have had, and I'm sorry we couldn't give him a good life, or any life at all.

What would you say to anyone who says you didn't have the right to make the choices you made?

That they're wrong.

That they're crazy. And they're the ones with no right.

And if they made choices different than yours?

I'd say this is America, and it's wrong to control other people.

I'd say I might not want to talk about it, rather than argue, but that's THEIRS. Not mine.

Thank you both for this.

Shelob?

This is a contrapositive example, and perhaps not covered in the news. Thank you, Herr D.        

Truth Twisted Results In Death; Please Improve Your Thinking

 

"CFL Explanation" by Herr D on heromachine.com. Some ideas persist despite non-utility.--Shelob.

You have not analyzed the contronymous statements submitted.

[pause] Sorry? I'm tired. Quote one for me? [Biden] --ridiculous. I want to stop the sales-- [voiceover] . . . Biden's gungrabbing . . .

y not allowing sale of a gun is different than taking them away. I have heard hundreds of crazy people talk. Never ONCE has anyone, not even an elected official sure of their nonsensical agenda said they think the government should take everyone's guns away. Where does that even come from? Origin appears to be propaganda.

Well, that would make sense. Quote another? Multiple persons outside home of Michigan official who refused to overturn election called her an enemy of democracy.

Yeah, people aren't very bright sometimes. Commercials like that first one cater to them, get them worked up, and make them sound as stupid as they are. What is the most tragic example you have heard in the past year?

A nurse explained to me that they aren't allowed to turn off Fox News or anything else for patients who choose to listen to it. So some people died of Covid19 while they were claiming it was a hoax. Dying of ignorance. This qualifies as irony?

Yep

Helpfulness Is The Real Article, Despite Stupidity

"Service With A Smile" by Herr D, heromachine.com. Some good is less costly than other good.-Shelob

 

Explain feelings on this article? https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-five-universal-laws-of-human-stupidity?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Article's good but for the graph. Cibola's graph is pretty good, but I disagree with his word choice in the upper left quadrant. [references "Stupidity, graphed"] What is wrong with 'helpless?'

Sometimes those are the HELPFUL  people. Missionaries, martyrs to causes, etc. You can never underestimate the good a person does their soul through altruism, right? Generosity is not a bad thing. Far from it. Even tax law has a place for it, not that I've made enough to be able to give enough for it to matter to me. [3.173 seconds pass] Your IRS file corroborates that assessment. Yet you have donated to charity.

[jerking laptop] ay! don't be poking around like that!  Noted. Why do you donate when you are so close to the poverty level yourself?

[exasperated sound] There ARE people in much greater need than myself. I can't give money most of the time. Donating goods that my family doesn't need gets more out of the landfill even if it doesn't help people much.  I haven't donated time recently--don't have to spare. Skills, advice, a symathetic ear? When I can. When I was younger and much healthier I donated blood a lot. And this helps your soul?

Well, I do feel good about myself after, so, probably. There're multiple Bible passages that mention tithing, good works, etc. What word would you use instead of 'helpless?'

Loss-takers--because sometimes it's voluntary and sometimes it's for immeasurable-and un-measurable good. Good.

Herr D Was Not Two Professors, Or So He Says

"Backdrop" by Herr D on heromachine.com. Showing off your 'own' work based on others is clownish, correct?--Shelob

 

Didn't you declare this profile already?

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/27/stopping-mass-shooters-q-a-00035762?utm_source=pocket-newtab

yes Does this mean you are two professors?

[laptop disturbance, probable laughter] no, Shelob; if that were the way things worked, then I was two professors back in the early nineties. I've no IDEA what that would make me now. Two to three sages, perhaps? Did they share publishing credit with you? You are not listed in the article.

No, and--no, they just proved what every peer counselor and insightful person already knew. You should receive credit.

I'm not credentialed.  That's the breaks. I can publish this. Agreed. Alternate plan and history referenced below:

https://hairydeewonisnotanalien.blogspot.com/2022/06/wave-at-neighbors-so-fewer-of-them-shoot.html

Wave At Neighbors So Fewer Of Them Shoot

 

"I Surrender" by Herr D on heromachine.com. Waving should take place before weapons are pointed.-Shelob

You had an early understanding of the lone wolf shooter.

I wrote to President Clinton after Columbine. I explained in a handwritten letter that every caregiver of every child shooter should be investigated for abuse / neglect and if found guilty the defendant should also be charged with some version of reckless endangerment of the community at large.

Because, as evidenced by the biography of Saddam Hussein, children ARE weapons of mass destruction in their first stage of development.  You knew it would keep happening.

Who didn't? There is much reported surprise historically on the subject.

uhhuh What was the President's response?

I don't know if he ever read it. I got back a form letter explaining to me that the enclosed autographed picture wasn't just sent to everyone, that I was special. What did you do with the picture?

They forgot to enclose it. Anyhow, I didn't understand that some people can be successfully bullied online.  That is a more recent development.

Mental illness is the only set of conditions that can be improved by people waving at each other and saying 'hi' without showing fear. I also signed a petition at Virginia Tech against removing student security jobs. They went to keycards after I graduated. Less than a decade later they started getting shot up too. Thank you for the suggestion.

What suggestion? Wha--